Another Video Recorder Problem

[themagician8]

So I finally got my video recorder to wok Ok, sent a short video to a friend... but they couldn't open it!

They had an iPhone, and had to go to some website to download the video. (probably a proprietary iPhone bug, cuz I don't thonk they do MMS messages)
But when he got there and downloaded the video... he couldn't open it!

Which led me to question...

What the heck is up with that weird file type the video recorder saves vids as? (3gp...?)

Is that some "Realplayer" type file?

How would you send it to someone whose phone doesn't have Realplayer?

Can most phones play these types of video files?

I looked around in the phone to try to set it to save as a different file type... but couldn't find anyway to do that.

What's the standard file type that most phones can play?

If other phones can't accept this filetype... do I need to download some kind of converter?

If so... which one, and from where?

I'm lost about htis stuff.

Anyone know about all this, that can put me on the right track?

Thanks!

[nodramachicks]

They had an iPhone, and had to go to some website to download the video. (probably a proprietary iPhone bug, cuz I don't thonk they do MMS messages)
But when he got there and downloaded the video... he couldn't open it!

sounds more like something wrong with your MMS settings.....

What the heck is up with that weird file type the video recorder saves vids as? (3gp...?)
Is that some "Realplayer" type file?
Can most phones play these types of video files?
What's the standard file type that most phones can play?

From 3GP Wiki
3GP is a simplified version of the MPEG-4 Part 14 (MP4) container format, designed to decrease storage and bandwidth requirements in order to accommodate mobile phones. It stores video streams as MPEG-4 Part 2 or H.263 or MPEG-4 Part 10 (AVC/H.264), and audio streams as AMR-NB, AMR-WB, AMR-WB+, AAC-LC or HE-AAC. A 3GP file is always big-endian, storing and transferring the most significant bytes first. It also contains descriptions of image sizes and bitrate. There are two different standards for this format:
3GPP (for GSM-based Phones, may have filename extension .3gp)
3GPP2 (for CDMA-based Phones, may have filename extension .3g2)

Both are based on MPEG-4 and H.263 video, and AAC or AMR audio.

When transferred to a computer, 3GP movies can be viewed on Linux, Mac, and Windows platforms with programs such as MPlayer,VLC media player, RealPlayer, QuickTime, GOM Player and Media Player Classic


I found this with a SIMPLE GOOGLE search....PLease try to remember that SEARCH engines are your FRIEND both Google and That little box that pops up on THIS site when you CLICK search.....

[themagician8]

I DID do a search here about video files and such...

I searched around a LOT here first.

And it gave me NO answers to my questions.

Thanks for that info, but I really wasn't questioning the "exact, deep & geeky" inner workings of what a 3gp file was...
And I read what you posted and it STILL didn't answer the questions that I asked.

(Besides the fact that you'd need a degree in media & computer science to understand all of that definition. YOU may understand all that... but most folks wouldn't. And I consider myself fairly OK at understanding tech stuff.)

I simply just wanted to know if most phones could open those file types, and if not... did I need some type of converter.

(which still hasn't been answered yet)

My "test subject" was my son's iPhone... which doesn't DO MMS messages in the "normal" way.
But I was curious as to why it wouldn't open it when we did go to the wesite to download it.

And now I just sent a vid to my daughter's phone (my old phone... a Pantech 300. Which isn't very good at various types of multimedia files in MMS messages. It never did simple soiund attachments well.)
And so far, it open's the message with like a download arrow in it. And after hitting it... it just says "Downloading", then goes back to the inbox.
So I don't think that phone is equipped to download videos well either.

So my two test phones are kinda weird to actually test all this out on.

So hence my questions here were about what file types most phones accept in general, and if 3gp was one of them.

(which that definition doesn't answer conclusively.)

I'm not trying to be difficult or nasty or anything here...
and have great respect for YOU and this group...

But I've been on various message boards for years, and am VERY aware of the search features on them, and Google.

And ALWAYS use them first.

But I am also very aware that some people just get a little too impatient with newbies to various subjects...
and are too quick to scream out "RTFM" or "DO A GOOGLE SEARCH!"

But some also need to realize that not everyone's search skills & savvy is maybe as proficient as the next person's.

I looked around first and couldn't find answers to my questions.

Which is why I posted those questions here.

Which is also the MAIN reason for messageboards...
to say...

"Hey... I can't find any info on this anywhere... any of you guys know the answer...?"

Sorry if I somehow offended your sensibilities.

And I humbly appologize if I did.

*And BTW... I still haven't found those answers yet...)

[themagician8]

sounds more like something wrong with your MMS settings.....

If that IS the case... what type of thing would be wrong in the settings to stop vidz from going out properly.
Pictures seem to work fine...

Thanks again!

[nodramachicks]

If that IS the case... what type of thing would be wrong in the settings to stop vidz from going out properly.
Pictures seem to work fine...

Thanks again!

from the link

Most 3G capable mobile phones support the playback and recording of video in 3GP format (memory, maximum filesize for playback and recording, and resolution limits exist and vary).
Some newer/higher-end phones without 3G capabilities may also playback and record in this format (again, with said limitations).

you didnt offend my sensabilities at all LOL, if i came off as being SHORT, wasn't my intention, THAT'S why i ANSWERED the question 1st THEn suggested searching LOL......hope the above answers the 3GP question......as for why you can't rec video....not sure...if your MMS settings are correct and the video isnt too large to be SENT thru MMS, then you SHOULD rec it...it COULD be that the device your sending fromo uses a video encoder that's incompatible with MMS....i just tried from both my blackberry adn htc tilt just to makle sure and i could send/rec with no prob..... try MAKING SURE that the phone being sent FROM is sending as MMS NOT just trying to send video directly....

and your correct, a LOT of new users here ust post questions without bothering to look at the WELL prepared guides 1st (not suggesting YOU did) but it DOES get old LOL

[themagician8]

Well... it's weird... yanno?

Cuz I sent one video to my son-in-law's iPhone...
which doesn't do MMS, so ya have to email pictures out, or pick up MMS attachments from some website.

The vid I sent to him, couldn't be opened.

Then I sent one to my duaghter's phone...

(my old lil Pantech 300. We're playing "musical phones" in this house. My daughter had the iPhone, but wants the new one. So my Son-in-law's phone was broken, and he got my daughter's iphone, whose now using my old Pantech while waiting for the new iPhone to come out... while I'm using my new A1200...!)

anyhoo... so I sent one to the Pantech (which always had a problem with MMS attachments other than pix.)

She couldn't get it.
I then tried sending a picture from the Pantech to my A1200.
And it just got stuck in her Outbox.

I did this several times. Just kept getting stuck.

So now I thought maybe my MMS settings were screwed up.

But then my daughter says, "Oh yeah dad... I forgot to tell you... I had them put restrictions on my MMS messaging till I got my new iPhone... you can't send stuff out or recieve stuff." !!!!!

So my "test subject phones" are whacked for testing out anytthing!

Anyway... after sending 2 videos to another friend in Jersey...
he didn't get them at first... then did.

And I fixed the recording problem I had...
It was a "user problem".
Being... the user is an idiot!
(me)

I kept shutting it off after I heard the beep, thinking it was done filming!

This phone is making me nutz.

I solve one problem... only to find another.

I'm trying to get some program "Widsets" to work, but it won't connect with my settings, and AT&T won't give me setting advice about it.

The bigeest one so far is getting pkg apps and things like Superman or SmartAss to install... it being an A1200E.

Kinda scared to flash it.

(but all that's another thread...)

And so I guess, that's the whole phone modding game and this forum is about... finding problems... solving them, then finding more and so on.

Thanks a bunch!

[nodramachicks]

@themagician8

sounds like you have WAAAAAY too much going on in that house!!! i'd say trade the kids in (as this will save you a BUNCH of money) for more devices, settle down with a STIFF cocktail and read the flashing guide, it's not really hard nor is it anything to be afraid of.....it took me almost 2 years to FLASH simply because i didn't wanna risk doing somethjing stoooopid (kinda hard to mess it up if you follow the guide), now of course i wish i'd done it sooner as my new FW took care of issues that had bugged me......oh and BTW, iphones make GREAT paperweights!!! LOL

[themagician8]

Well.. thankfully... it was the iPhone and my old pantech that couldn't recieve the videos. And have sucessfully shot video and sent it in an MMS.

As far as the flashing goes...
I'm VERY computer/techie literate, and usually have no fears or problems withthat type of stuff.

But a lot of what I read is so scattered around, you have to jump from one tread to another for different things... it's just a bit daunting.

Like today I wanted to do a "seem edit" to get rid of the blank messages you get after a voicemail check on my A1200.

But the "guide" for it was very poorly written, sounding like maybe it was written by someone who's first language wasn't english. And it was very "codey" and hard enough to understand just the tech side of it.
I'm still lost on that one... using Radiocamm to seem edit.
Supposedly it was just "changing a few nubers and uploading it"... but I couldn't get it from that guide.

Thankfully... the flashing & modding guides are written a bit better concerning the English part.

But it's gonna take a bit for me to grasp them.

[nodramachicks]

I SEEM EDIT using Radiocomm v11.1.0.

I have an editing method which may be useful, using just radiocomm and FRHED (open source hex editor):

I connect my phone in MODEM usb mode. Then I go to the GSM 2 tab, get Element ID 0032, Record 0001, and get the data with RDELEM. I leave the default data length of 0200.
Then I select and COPY this data.

I go to FRHED (free hex editor). DONT PASTE! instead: FILE -> IMPORT FROM HEX DUMP.

Do you want to import from the clipboard instead of a file? YES
Does this data have the same format as frhed display? NO (only hex, no spaces)

The HEX editor is ready with the 0032_0001 data. CTRL-G to go to an offset (use X before to specify as hex value, and not $). CTRL-B for bit manipulation.

When you are done, select all the chunk (ctrl A or just with the mouse) then:

EXPORT AS HEXDUMP.

The values are filled out from 0 to 01ff (length = 200) from your selection so leave them alone.

Check EXPORT TO CLIPBOARD, and in TYPE check JUST HEX DIGITS ON A LINE.

Then you paste this into the RADIOCOMM DATA. Set LENGTH to 0200 at the left side, then STELEM.



elerouxx

does THIS help?

[themagician8]

I dunno.

Won't know till I find, download & install "FRED" and give it a try.

At first glance... I couldn't say. Sounds easy enough the way it's written.

Thanks!